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Patty Mooney's avatar

My mom, Magi, would have thoroughly enjoyed this. She said "fuck" a lot. She informed the family that fuck was originally an English word that approximated the sound of planting a seed in wet soil. She was a wordsmith, philosopher, radical feminist and raging granny.

Also, I wanted to let you know that this study is pretty interesting. It finds that people who swear are actually more honest and intelligent. https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/26/health/swearing-benefits-wellness/index.html#:~:text=The%20study%20found%20those%20who,at%20generating%20a%20swearing%20vocabulary.%E2%80%9D

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Oh thank you for this Patty! Your mom sounds amazing. Cool info about the word fuck, I didn't know that. But I did know about studies of people who cuss being more honest, ect. However, I try to keep my pieces around 400 words, so I didn't include that. It's great you put it here. Thank you! 💕

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Patty Mooney's avatar

Oh, my pleasure! I wanted to bring my mom in on this, too, (postumously, LOL) because I know how much she would have enjoyed your writing and this entire Substack platform.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

That makes my day, I know she's up there smiling down on us🥰

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

Substack is a haven for readers and writers covering virtually every topic imaginable. It feels like I've discovered paradise on Earth.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

It's so true. As I have stated before, it's the BEST thing to come out of Muck taking over Twitter.com.

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

If only my sainted Mother could’ve read this study. I was constantly in Helllfire trouble with her over swearing.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Gloria! I should have known, we come from similar salt of the earth!💕

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

We do!

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Patty Mooney's avatar

It was quite a gauntlet for women to run in those days. Puritanism has been deeply ingrained in our society. Maybe that's why my mom decided to call her book "The Ungluing." (I found her unpublished manuscript after she passed away. It's quite amazing.)

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

OMG! Are you considering publishing it, Patty? Maybe on KDP? It sounds amazing. The title is awesome!

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Patty Mooney's avatar

I published the first two chapters here on A Diary Left Open.....

https://adiaryleftopen.substack.com/p/the-ungluing-chapter-one

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Just read and watched your doc. Amazing. Anyway, feel free to email me Patty. No rush. But I'm happy to offer my advice. Levanoff@yahoo.com 💕

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Patty Mooney's avatar

Thank you! It means a lot to me.

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Lorraine Tilbury's avatar

Wow. What a gift to find this after she passed! It looks like it would be a fascinating book

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

I'm intrigued by the title! Could you share some details about the manuscript? It's really piqued my curiosity.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Ditto

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Patty Mooney's avatar

My mom, a mother of six, came to a serious mental health point in her life where she just had to "retire" as a mother. You'll see what led her to that moment, and what happened after.... I think this book is amazing, and still relevant, 50 years later. Those issues are still relevant. Do you think KDP is a good idea?

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Patty, you just took my breath away. My mom also had us six kids, she started at age 16. If you need any support in publishing independently please email me directly at Levanoff@yahoo.com. Yes, I think KDP is great.

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Lorraine Tilbury's avatar

Fascinating synchronicity here between you and Patty! ❤️🙏

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

It is every woman’s story. Do whatever you have to do, but this book must be published and the story behind it.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Patty I agreed with Gloria. After watching your movie, you should publish it.

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DeeDee D's avatar

Thanks Patty, will be sharing w my kids who bitch about my vulgar language.

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Patty Mooney's avatar

The censorship of books and language seems to stem from puritanism which is so three centuries ago......

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Yes! Exactly, today's Christian right are definitely an extension of this.

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Patty Mooney's avatar

Fighting for their right to NOT party...

And imposing their dictum on everyone else. Absurd.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Being so judgmental is the least Christian thing there is.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Ha ha! "So three centuries ago..." Brilliant!

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Rooster's avatar

🤣 Lorraine - I just read your bio. You can actually say “Pardon my French” and it would work!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

And I say it often!

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Rooster's avatar

Mon dieu!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Quelle horreur!

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Pamela's avatar

Fuckin A right! I raised two boys. The F word was only now and then but once they grew up and over 18 - up until now - the F Bomb flies every day! The C word has not yet done so, but I do not look down at those who use it.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

So proud of you and your boys Pamela! I think they probably have great control and use it sparingly. At this point, my nerves are so frayed I've given up on decorum😩

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Pamela's avatar

😂 uh sure sparingly uh huh 😂

Let’s just say they know when NOT to say it 😂

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

I don’t know when not to say anything anymore 😩

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Pamela's avatar

😂 I’m really good at the f word so that is probably why! It can improve any other word!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Write a Substack please, I need more words!

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Pamela's avatar

😂 well I guess I can add a tutorial!! Since I had planned on writing about RA which causes me to use a myriad of plenty of “cuss words” !

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Jennifer Em's avatar

I tend to save the C word for the worst of the worst.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

So did I. Until tRump and the GOPDomesticTerrorists.💔

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Pamela's avatar

I think I have used it one time in my life - it just felt weird 😂 Me the one who would make sailors blush - feeling weird saying the C word 😂 but yes tRUMP IS a damned good example of a C!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Ha ha! Yes it’s amazing the c-word is now my go-to. 😭😭

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Rooster's avatar

The C-word is like Mr. Miagi’s Crane Technique. “If do right, no can defend.” 😂

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Ha! Love that, Rooster!

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Pamela's avatar

Oh hell yeah my friend!!

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E. Jean Carroll's avatar

Good one, Lorraine!!!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Thanks so much lovely E. Jean. 💕

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

Oh, Lorraine, I am on your team, girl!

In England, France, or the US of A,

Each has swears, in their own way.

"Wanker", "muppet", or the famed "sod",

In Britain they chuckle, give a nod.

Across the Channel, they'll exclaim "sacré bleu!",

Or perhaps a muttered "zut" or two.

Back in the States, they've their own fair share,

But it's the intent, not the word, that should scare.

Yet why do folks look so askance?

When I let out a "bloody" in a dance.

Or perhaps a “flipping” or "nom de Dieu",

It’s just language, evolving and new.

I wear my curses like a badge of art,

Each one, a piece, a work of heart.

So judge me not, for the words I pick,

For in each, there's truth, and a flame that'll stick.

Language is vast, colorful, and wild,

Why limit its range, like a sheltered child?

Embrace each term, every phrase, every yell,

For in them, our truest emotions dwell.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Lovely colorful writing with barely a cuss, brava Gloria! This study was really for myself, it's so frustrating to always feel shamed. It was kind of a release to write it. Hugs!!🥰

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

I exactly what you mean. My family has always been in the military, and I distinctly remember when I made the mistake of not knowing my mother was standing right behind me when I explained this to military lingo to a younger cousin:

Charlie Foxtrot: the military phonetic alphabet to represent "Cluster F**k," which is a vulgar term for a chaotic or disastrous situation.

It was definitely a clusterfuck moment for me.

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Jennifer Em's avatar

Clusterfuck is one of my favorites terms.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Agreed. French kiss!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Wow wow wow!! I've heard Charlie Foxtrot in movies but really didn't pick up on that. May I borrow this? Full credit of course!

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Patty Mooney's avatar

Fantastic! Did you write it?

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

Yes. I seem to always hear language in poetry form. It’s a blessing and a Curse.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

That's all blessing to my ears, Gloria. I've never heard of that. It's really cool.

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Patty Mooney's avatar

You can toggle it "on" and "off," right?

;)

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

Yes, thank God! Well ...

In whispers of "yes" and shouts of "no,"

I hear one thing but say another, it's a curious show.

Caught in a dance, a rhythm so tight,

You can toggle it "on" and "off," right?

Mixed signals sent, in a digital age,

Lost in translation, like words on a page.

Emojis conceal, with playful delight,

But what lies beneath, the surface so light?

The wink and the nudge, the ;) in disguise,

Masks the true feelings, hidden from eyes.

Yet, amidst all the chaos, one truth remains so,

Sometimes we hear "yes" when the world tells us "no."

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Gloria! You're one of my characters IRL! My new book has a character who speaks in Alexandrine. I was afraid it was a little too out there. But you just saved it for me!

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

Derived from a poem about Alexander the Great! I can’t wait.

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Jennifer Em's avatar

I'm rather fond of the term, "bellend," myself. 🤣

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Nice one. TIL😁

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Ben Woestenburg's avatar

Oh my GAWD! We were just sitting around the kitchen getting shit ready for dinner when I said: "Alexa, Play some George Carlin comedy". We were laughing so hard. I said, hey remember when this first came out? It was "Class Clown."

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

That's awesome! Did it include the 7 Dirty Words skit? I'll have to look up "Class Clown" again!

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Ben Woestenburg's avatar

It certainly did!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Amazing! Classic.

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Barbara Laman's avatar

You’re funny as shit! 😂😂😂 and absolutely right about Europeans! Love it!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

😘😘😘

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Neely Arnold's avatar

I’m slowly but surely discovering my tribe. Thank you.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Yes Neely!

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Alicia Norman's avatar

Fucking thank you!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Fuck yeah!

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Alicia Norman's avatar

ROFLMAO!!!!!

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Terri Grayum's avatar

Ah, sisters from a different mother!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

It seems!

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Shalone's avatar

Swear on! This is nothing, they’re only words! You’re not harming anyone, most people who would shame you are hypocrites anyway , they might not cuss, but are hypocrites who do much worse things than swear.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Hell yes, thanks Sharon!

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itzmelo's avatar

Hear, hear!!! Thank you for bringing George Carlin into the conversation, one of my all-time favorite comedians; his material is still 100% relevant today.

I did not realize untaken paid vacations were in the billions of dollars now, but I'm not surprised. I work for a global company and here in the US, we are required to put our mobile numbers on our OOO messages in case someone needs us while we're on our paid vacation; most of the time I answer work emails daily while on vacation as well. It's a horrible pattern that's been ingrained in Americans. Those weeks are when my profanity reaches

annual all time highs! Meanwhile, my European counterparts have an OOO that states "I'm out until such a date. I'll get back to you when I return." I hate that Global employers like mine knows they can easily wring wage theft out of Americans.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Thanks for the great comment, Melody!

Yes that NPR piece was really eye-opening for me, if you have the chance to listen to it.

Agreed, even when I'm on vacation I have my computer and work. One time during vacation I went three whole days without working. It was awesome! But it's really hard for me to do that. But I'm lucky, my employer lets me work whenever as long as I get my work done. So it all works out. That's the only way I can do a day job.

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Gloria Horton-Young's avatar

Love this.

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Morgan OCailleigh's avatar

I say fuck, or some other expression that incorporates the word fuck, all the time. Cursing is expressive, especially these days when thinking about the state of the world.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Yep. I'm running out of dirty words, Morgan!

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Larry Jaffe's avatar

Fuckin A!

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Finally someone said it, Larry!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Larry Jaffe's avatar

I think I like you. You got ballz (not one of the 7)

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Ha! Like you too Larry. Good point, I guess ballz are okay😄

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Larry Jaffe's avatar

When my daughter was four years old she told me “I know these curses fuck, shit, goddam it and dummy.” While I tried to retain my composure She then said “but you don’t have to worry. I know when I use them.”

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Oh wow! How in the world did she learn "dummy"?😆 Kids are the best.

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Larry Jaffe's avatar

I have no idea. But she looked so damned cute web she told me this. A very wise and serious look on her face.

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Tizz's avatar

This was a fun read. =) I came to cussin' late in life, like everything else. I didn't have my first cigarette, go to a club and drink alcohol, or cuss until after my first divorce. I figured I'd burn in hell anyway, so I might as well enjoy it all. And, I did. But cussin' -- that was hard for me. I was raised to be a "lady." Sit just so. Speak just so. Even saying "gosh" was too much like "god" for my puritanical step-mom so that got a mouth washed out. At 27, newly minted from my divorce, a single mom, I began the cussin' journey. I moved into a new home about five years later, and I still hadn't managed an F-bomb even when alone. My new neighbor, who would become my best friend, had a marvelous command of expletives and always dropped F-bombs. I mentioned how jarring it was to hear it to her and invited her to try other words. I even suggested that using cuss words showed a lack of imagination. (I wince thinking of this now.) Well. Thankfully she had a great sense of humor. She took my comment as a challenge. She began walking around me, flapping her arms like a chicken and clucking. Except instead of saying "cluck" she said "fuck fuck fuck FUUUUUCK" repeatedly until I was laughing so hard I fell on the floor. We became friends I think right then and there. Eventually, I learned to swear as well as any sailor under her tutelage and laughed often while doing so. That's the real bonus. Plus, I hear cussin' is a great way to relieve pain.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

TIZZ!! Oh what a delightful comment, LOL! Honestly, I admire you for having been raised not to cuss. It's the hardest habit to break. Amazing that you made the transition to cussing but I'm sure it opened up all kinds of new forms of release, which as you pointed out, is apparently a benefit of cussing. What a great story, thank you for sharing this!💕

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Tizz's avatar

It was my pleasure. =) ♥

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

💕

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Kate Morgan Reade's avatar

Love this. Ta fucking da, to those panty-twisted uptight religious nut cases.

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Lorraine Evanoff's avatar

Ha! "Ta fucking da" I love it!

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